Hang on a minute Dave, it’s not exactly a war between setters and finders. If someone gets the enjoyment of a smiley by spending two+ hours to solve a puzzle I’m not particularly bothered how they do it. Maybe, as you say, leave it until after the first find or two. I think the Geocheck is useful for me as I usually travel many miles for puzzles, there being few placed in North Devon. From the setter’s point of view, surely caches are put out to be found. I drove to the Cheddar area for GC40PJF. Geocheck – 6 correct, 49 wrong. Would I have gone without some confirmation of it’s whereabouts? The CO obviously wants it found. GH.